TheBrothersWISP 11 – Wispapalooza

Justin, JJ and Greg talk about Justin’s trip to Wispapalooza and the Ubiquiti World Conference 2012. Andrewwww we miiiiissssss yyyyyooouuuuuu ๐Ÿ˜‰

The glorious links!!!!
Ubiquiti World Conference
ArcWireless new CPE and APs

Some of the topics touched are:
Nanobridge HP
Justin is a celebrity ๐Ÿ™‚
Fast roaming on APs
UniFi V2
Airvision V2

Here’s the video:(if you don’t see it, hit refresh)

Since Mike Hammet was doing who knows what, here are his notes from the show:

Texas de Brazil was delicious, though Justin had a better time than the rest of us. :-p

I wish in addition to (or instead of) the airGateway, I would like to see a Power-APN with PoE out.

UniFi is version 3, not 2.

Damn, feeling like crap sure had me missing a lot! This is the first I heard of the Cambium STB. More info?

I suspect the ArcWireless stuff is based on Atheros chipsets just as AirMax and NV2.

I am really excited about the new Trango platform. Not only is it in 60 MHz vs. the 100 MHz of AirFiber, but it also only uses one polarity vs. two. It also has built in aggregation, so you can combine two links with just a single Ethernet down the tower.

Justin received a Knights of the Black Tie Award

Sub10 has some really cool 60 and 70\80 GHz products. I expect to see a 10 gigabit radio in 70\80 in 2 years. The 60 GHz radios can be physically clustered in a set of 4, pointing in any one direction. Due to FSL, one can colocate 15 to 30 radios on a given structure.

WLANMall was showing off a video surveillance system (I forget the name) that was really impressive. I could go on and on about all the cool stuff it can do, but to sum it up, it’s relatively cheap, it seems to scale well (Clark County, NV schools have 5k cameras on it), it can use your cell phone’s camera.

PureWave’s 6×6 MIMO achieves great foliage penetration. 3650 models surpass the penetration of 900 MHz. I suspect 2.5 GHz operators running the gear may meet the penetration abilities of TVWS, only in a stable regulatory environment and actually have some bandwidth to work with.

Looking forward to additional space that may be coming at 3.6 GHz and in 5 GHz.

Hey, some of us have “SANs” and virtual environments. Other stuff I was talking to other WISPs about: Nexenta SAN, VMWare Service Provider Program

One of the vendors was shooting commercials for a “Backhaul Heros” promotion.

They’re hung up on Vegas for the fall show because Vegas is the cheapest place in the country with ready airport access to have a conference.


15 thoughts on “TheBrothersWISP 11 – Wispapalooza

  1. Great roundup of Wispapalooza; wanted to go back this year. Sadly it seems my company has decided to abandon common sense, so our product roadmap is *muddied* to say the least. Thanks for the info!

  2. @Robert
    Glad you liked the roundup, but sorry you didn’t get to make it…there’s alway next year, though!

    They will also have the traveling show…I think they said Kentucky?

  3. Danville Kentucky will be the spring show. Videos and presentations are supposed to be online sometime. They are talking about making them freely available to WISPA members.

  4. The EdgeMax presenter at the UWC was An-Cheng Huang (EdgeOS architect). Can’t wait to tease Josh about looking like a 12 year old. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  5. @Stig
    We always love to have celebrities stop by the cast!

    If you can’t give your co-workers crap, then what’s the point of having them? Perhaps a cute nickname for the guy…Opie…Alfalfa?

  6. I knew I shouldn’t have shaved that morning! ๐Ÿ˜‰ Thanks for the feedback though. Good to hear you guys were paying attention during the show. Great round-up guys!


  7. @Josh
    Look young as loooong as you can. Once you are bald like me you get lumped in with all of the other old bastiges…hehehe

  8. @Everyone
    Sorry I didn’t do too much talking on this one…I’m on the tail end of the plague. I do kind of like the Barry White tone I get occasionally, though.

  9. Hey JJ, yeah I think most of SJ engineering was there. I was just there for the day – 6:30am flight with 8pm return (makes for a long day).

  10. Hello all – and Hi Justin – was nice to meet you at WispaPalooza. You’re even smarter in person. I took lots of great notes from your presentation.

    Hereโ€™s the impact you guys are having: 4 months ago I didnโ€™t know what a WISP was but stumbled on the opportunity when I stumbled on UBNT devices (and saw how inexpensive they are) when researching a wireless bridge solution at my “real” job.

    1. Never heard of the term WISP (4 months ago).
    2. Needed to learn Mikrotik โ€“ Found Gregโ€™s tutorials
    3. Gregโ€™s tutorials ->
    4. -> Rick Harnish as a guest, promoting WISPA
    5. WISPA -> joined -> attended WispaPalooza
    6. WispaPalooza โ€“ met a lot of great entrepreneurs and smart, enthusiastic people like you guys!

    Keep it rolling!


  11. @Edward

    Wowzers, thank you sir! We are glad to help and glad to have you as part of the army ๐Ÿ™‚ You will be surprised how small a world the WISP scene is…which means you will be running into the Brothers a lot hehehe. Keep coming back and let us know what you want to see.

  12. Keep doing what you’re doing. Industry updates are great. I would dedicate a certain % of your ‘airtime’ to discussing things that Newb WISPs need to know about that have to learn the hard way as they grow – like Radius, OSPF, VLANs, Tunneling, Walled Gardens, etc.

    Also strategic/competitive forces like 4G LTE, and spectrum availability.

    One question I have as a new WISP – I’m about to deploy a link into an appartment building. Usually I bandwidth throttle at the device/radio level. In this case, it will need to happen at the router that will be in the building. What’s the best approach for this? Do I assign each unit# an interface and then manage that interface? Do I authenticate their router by MAC address inside their unit/PPPoE?



  13. @Edward
    Great great feedback sir.

    We can start working in some intro material here and there…perhaps have a quick segment dedicated to it.

    I do a lot of apartment complexes. We generally have a switched infrastructure inside the complex that brings everything back to a Mikrotik router at the border. If possible, we rate-limit on the individual switch port. This does it all in hardware and pushes it to the edge. I have an extensive QoS script that I’ve put together for these specific type of installs that does traffic prioritization. This squeezes every last drop out of the bandwidth and allows us to keep our users happy with less bandwidth. BTW, I sell the script for half the cost of the other guy ๐Ÿ˜‰

    If you don’t have the ability to do switch level rate-limits, then you can do a couple of PCQs to limit the user traffic. In version 6 you will be able to successfully use a combination of queue trees(which would do your overall traffic shaping) along with simple queues(use this for individual rate-limiting). It keeps everything nice and separated.

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